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Well, as reported on this blog earlier, the govt has decided to grant the benefit of MSP to past retirees also which is a welcome step. But my advisory of ‘take it with a pinch of salt’ has also come into play. The addition of an MSP fitment into pension does not translate into direct benefit to all retirees since the benefit of 50% of MSP (Rs 3000 for Officers and Rs 1000 for PBOR) has not been granted for calculation of new pension as per the new 6th CPC system but only for the purposes of prescribed minima for each rank.
Meaning thereby that the new pension for old retirees shall not be below 50% of the minimum of new pay band plus grade pay plus MSP (plus X group pay if admissible).
Hence the new pension shall be either :
As per the new fitment scheme of the 6th CPC (that is, old basic pension X 2.26 + 16% DA as on date)
Or
@ 50% of minimum of new scale + X Group Pay if admissible + Grade Pay + MSP
whichever of the two is higher.
Pension of a Full Colonel who retired on any date prior to 1-1-2006 would be granted @ 50% of minimum of new scale (Rs 37400) plus Grade Pay (Rs 8700) plus MSP (Rs 6000) which would come to 50% of Rs 52100, that is Rs 26050 (plus the applicable DA of course). The said pension would also be admissible to Lt Colonels who retired prior to 1-1-2006 in case Pay Band-4 is accepted for Lt Colonels.
An across the board fitment @50% of MSP for all retirees has not yet been granted.
This paragraph from Govt of India Letter No 17(4)/2008(1)/D(Pen/Policy) dated 11 Nov 2008 may throw more light on the issue :
“The consolidation of pension will further be subject to the provision that the consolidated pension, in no case shall be lower than fifty percent of the minimum of the pay in the pay band plus the grade pay corresponding to the pre revised scale from which the pensioner had retired/discharged including Military Service Pay and ‘X’ Group pay where applicable. For example, if a pensioner had retired in the pre-revised scale of pay of 6600 – 170 – 9320, the corresponding pay band being 9300 - 34800 and the corresponding grade pay and Military Service Pay being Rs. 4,600/- and Rs. 2,000/- respectively, his minimum guaranteed pension would be 50% of Rs. 9300 + Rs 4600 + 2000 i.e. Rs 7,950…”
Anyone wanting the new Govt of India letter on military pensions for pre 1-1-2006 retirees from me may do so through email.
Well, as reported on this blog earlier, the govt has decided to grant the benefit of MSP to past retirees also which is a welcome step. But my advisory of ‘take it with a pinch of salt’ has also come into play. The addition of an MSP fitment into pension does not translate into direct benefit to all retirees since the benefit of 50% of MSP (Rs 3000 for Officers and Rs 1000 for PBOR) has not been granted for calculation of new pension as per the new 6th CPC system but only for the purposes of prescribed minima for each rank.
Meaning thereby that the new pension for old retirees shall not be below 50% of the minimum of new pay band plus grade pay plus MSP (plus X group pay if admissible).
Hence the new pension shall be either :
As per the new fitment scheme of the 6th CPC (that is, old basic pension X 2.26 + 16% DA as on date)
Or
@ 50% of minimum of new scale + X Group Pay if admissible + Grade Pay + MSP
whichever of the two is higher.
Pension of a Full Colonel who retired on any date prior to 1-1-2006 would be granted @ 50% of minimum of new scale (Rs 37400) plus Grade Pay (Rs 8700) plus MSP (Rs 6000) which would come to 50% of Rs 52100, that is Rs 26050 (plus the applicable DA of course). The said pension would also be admissible to Lt Colonels who retired prior to 1-1-2006 in case Pay Band-4 is accepted for Lt Colonels.
An across the board fitment @50% of MSP for all retirees has not yet been granted.
This paragraph from Govt of India Letter No 17(4)/2008(1)/D(Pen/Policy) dated 11 Nov 2008 may throw more light on the issue :
“The consolidation of pension will further be subject to the provision that the consolidated pension, in no case shall be lower than fifty percent of the minimum of the pay in the pay band plus the grade pay corresponding to the pre revised scale from which the pensioner had retired/discharged including Military Service Pay and ‘X’ Group pay where applicable. For example, if a pensioner had retired in the pre-revised scale of pay of 6600 – 170 – 9320, the corresponding pay band being 9300 - 34800 and the corresponding grade pay and Military Service Pay being Rs. 4,600/- and Rs. 2,000/- respectively, his minimum guaranteed pension would be 50% of Rs. 9300 + Rs 4600 + 2000 i.e. Rs 7,950…”
Anyone wanting the new Govt of India letter on military pensions for pre 1-1-2006 retirees from me may do so through email.
Due to my professional commitments, I would not be able to answer individual queries on pension calculation. However readers are welcome to post their queries or observations as comments to this post and subject to availability of time, I shall attempt to reply. Posting of comments also is a better idea since it gives an opportunity for a cross section of readers to reply to each other leading to a qualitative improvement of our knowledge base and a better exchange of thoughts.
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THAT WAS GREAT NAV SIR. HOPE IT COMES TRUE.WILL GIVE A LOT OF BREATHING SPACE TO MY DAD.THE PRE96 GENERATION IS NOT NET SAVVY WE GOT TO PASS IT ON TO AS MANY OF THEM BY WORD OF MOUTH - OF COURSE IF IT BECOMES A REALITY AKA SUSHMAJI PLACING ANOTHER SPOKE AS HER POCKET(6PC) MONEY WILL GET AFFECTED.
This indicates that things are moving in a positive direction. Pranab Da will not let his credibility suffer so close gen elec by over stepping the promise given to Forces. This despite all the EFFORTS of greedy Babus by keeping him in the orbit for last one month. By the way is sushma naath an Indian?
if this is going to happen then pb4 for serving lt col definitely will happen.
This is the best news i have heard so far.Now it is clear that things are moving at GOM level also.This may even look better than OROP.let us see when this will be a reality.
@Navdeep, picked this from 89 dec commission group.Pl clarify:
(a) As per the latest from MoD there is nothing like Paid Acting rank for offrs, hence u will get into PB 4 only after 20 yrs of physical service. A catch here being that the PB 4 pay shall start only after the pub of the Gazzete for our course which I m told takes anything from 2 - 3 yrs after we complete 20 yrs service. So plz wait for atleast 4 more yrs to see the basic salary of Rs 37,400 in ur pay slip. By that time we would be more than half way through to our next Pay Commission.
(b) Starting this pay commision rank pay also will be as per substantive rk and not acting rk. CDA (O) has writttn to the service HQ on this issue and maybe this anomaly will get resolved.
ANOTHER ANOMALY!!!!!
page 252 of 6cpc report
Uniform related
Allowances
4.2.69 Uniform Allowance is admissible to IPS officers, personnel
of Central Para Military Forces, Central Police Organizations,Railway Protection Force, National Cadet Corps, Border Roads
Organization and Nursing staff. Nurses are paid Uniform
Allowance at the rate of Rs.250 per month. Police personnel
belonging to IPS, CPMFs, RPF etc. are paid this allowance at the
following rates :
Grant Rate
Initial grant Rs.6500
Renewal grant Rs.3000
(payable after every seven years)Recommendations 4.2.73 Keeping in view the functions performed by various
uniformed personnel, the Commission recommends the following
rates of Uniform Allowance for different categories of such
personnel :
4.2.74 For CPMFs/CPOs/RPF/IPS
Grant Rate
Initial grant Rs.14000
Renewal grant Rs.3000
(payable after every three years)
Gentlemen can you spot the difference, we have been sleeping!!
Base on the above anology and the fact that all allowances have been doubbled,( IN THIS CASE MORE THAN DOUBBLED) OUR RENEWAL OUTFIT ALLCE SHOULD HAVE BEEN 6000 PER 3 YRS!!!!!!!!
I am afraid that the illustration given by you does not yield the result in the case of LT.Col. As per para 5 of the Govt notifiaction ,the pension fixed would be greater of basic pension prior to 2006 *2.26 or the minimum of revised pay band +grade pay +MSP.
Unfortunately ,in the case of a LT.Col the Basic pay *2.26 =17063 for the basic pay of 7550 & the 50% of the revised minimum pay band amounts to(15600+7600+6000)14600.
What an IRONY ! There could not be a worse example of ANOMALY. while a Col would get an enhanced pension of 26050 thanks to his upgradation to PB4.
Incidentally I am a retired Wg Cdr ,eqvt to a LT.Col.
I wish to amend my comments in para2 to the following :
Instead of reading basic pay*2.26 ,it should read as "basic pension *2.26".Similarly please read "basic pension of 7550", instead of basic pay of 7550.
The error is regretted.
Para 5 of GOI letter talks of 50% of MSP towards consolidated pension as "where applicable". As of date, & as far as I know, MSP is not available to all ranks & is only applicable wef 1.9.2008.
I wonder if the celebrations are not premature.
@Maulibhushan
MSP is applicable for old retirees.I have seen the pension notification issued on 14/11/2008 for pre 2006 pensioners & it does mention MSP for old pensioners also.One anomaly may be the differentiation between premature retirement for post 01/01/2006 & pre 01/01/2006 retirees.
AS per the VI pay commssion premature retirees post 01/01/2006) will get full pension(pre 2006 will get only proportionate amount)
(Of course this may be asking for too much.How ever what does the law say on this ?)
@NAVADEEP,
there is a rider ,commuted portion of pension will be deducted .
At one time, this used to happen in India!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Sack Lunches.
I put my carry-on in the luggage compartment and sat down in my assigned seat. It was going to be a long flight. 'I'm glad I have a good book to read Perhaps I will get a short nap,' I thought.
Just before take-off, a line of soldiers came down the aisle and filled all the vacant seats, totally surrounding me. I decided to start a conversation. 'Where are you headed?' I asked the soldier seated nearest to me.
'Petawawa. We'll be there for two weeks for special training, and then we're being deployed to Afghanistan
After flying for about an hour, an announcement was made that sack lunches were available for five dollars. It would be several hours before we reached the east, and I quickly decided a lunch would help pass the time..
As I reached for my wallet, I overheard soldier ask his buddy if he planned to buy lunch. 'No, that seems like a lot of money for just a sack lunch. Probably wouldn't be worth five bucks. I'll wait till we get to base '
His friend agreed.
I looked around at the other soldiers. None were buying lunch. I walked to the back of the plane and handed the flight attendant a fifty dollar bill. 'Take a lunch to all those soldiers.' She grabbed my arms and squeezed tightly. Her eyes wet with tears, she thanked me. 'My son was a soldier in Iraq ; it's almost like you are doing it for him.'
Picking up ten sacks, she headed up the aisle to where the soldiers were seated. She stopped at my seat and asked, 'Which do you like best - beef or chicken?'
'Chicken,' I replied, wondering why she asked. She turned and went to the front of plane, returning a minute later with a dinner plate from first class. 'This is your thanks.'
After we finished eating, I went again to the back of the plane, heading for the rest room. A man stopped me. 'I saw what you did. I want to be part of it. Here, take this.' He handed me twenty-five dollars.
Soon after I returned to my seat, I saw the Flight Captain coming down the aisle, looking at the aisle numbers as he walked, I hoped he was not looking for me, but noticed he was looking at the numbers only on my side of the plane. When he got to my row he stopped, smiled, held out his hand, an said, 'I want to shake your hand.'
Quickly unfastening my seatbelt I stood and took the Captain's hand. With a booming voice he said, 'I was a soldier and I was a military pilot. Once, someone bought me a lunch. It was an act of kindness I never forgot.' I was embarrassed when applause was heard from all of the passengers.
Later I walked to the front of the plane so I could stretch my legs. A man who was seated about six rows in front of me reached out his hand, wanting to shake mine. He left another twenty-five dollars in my palm.
When we landed I gathered my belongings and started to deplane. Waiting just inside the airplane door was a man who stopped me, put something in my shirt pocket, turned, and walked away without saying a word. Another twenty-five dollars!
Upon entering the terminal, I saw the soldiers gathering for their trip to the base. I walked over to them and handed them seventy-five dollars. 'It will take you some time to reach the base. It will be about time for a sandwich. God Bless You.'
Ten young men left that flight feeling the love and respect of their fellow travelers. As I walked briskly to my car, I whispered a prayer for their safe return. These soldiers were giving their all for our country. I could only give them a couple of meals.
It seemed so little...
A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life,wrote a blank check made payable to 'Canada for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'
That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.'
Hi Navdeep,
Where does a person who has retired as a Lt Colonel (Time Scale)pre 2006, say in May 2003 FIT IN. Will he get 50 % of minimum of the new scale of a Lt Colonel or of a Major. Also what is the impact if he took premature retirement without completing 33 years for full pension (completed only 26 years.
Suneel
@SKP
For pre 2006 pensioners the pension will be proportional to the number of years of service after adding the weightage factor.I think if you have served for 26 years you shoudld get full pension if the weightage is 7 (as was in my case when i retired as a Col with 23 yeras of service).You may check out your weigtage factor from the CDA Pension or CDA(O) site
Dear Maj.Navdeep,
Thanks for the latest on military pensions.
A quarter century ago the military asked for a running pay scale for all most all ranks of officers; and it was a disaster when parity with civilians was to be established.The next pay commission removed it.
The military asked for rank pay for each rank and it has now become an albatross around its neck for as long as military and pay exist in India.
The veterans asked for 'One Rank One Pay (OROP)' and no pay commission granted it whole heartedly.
Now the 6th Pay Commission found merit in both running pay scale and rank pay.They have not only introduced the two now, but also insulated both the running pay scale and the rank pay in the case of civilians,so that no one mis-interprets them.
While the military is still waiting for one rank one pay, the Pay Commission granted the civilians 'One Pay Band/One GradePay, One Pension'.Once again the formulation is made so simple that no one can mis-interpret it.
The military was not foolish after all;it never got the benefit of its inventions.
apropos the uniform allce anomaly.
Hamien nanga karne ke baad uniform ki kya jaroorat. Isliye allce kam kar diya!
The saying has come true "There is lot of slip between the cup and the lip". After getting the payslip i found that another civ officer who was drawing less pay than me till last month is getting more and he is in PB4. It is frustating and i donot know whom to apch. Whom are we trying to protect being getting F..... day in and out and most of the time away from family and dear ones. Best of luck to all those who are thinking of a parental claim for their kids.
his paragraph from Govt of India Letter No 17(4)/2008(1)/D(Pen/Policy) dated 11 Nov 2008 may throw more light on the issue :
It has been stated that:
“The consolidation of pension will further be subject to the provision that the consolidated pension, in no case shall be lower than fifty percent of the minimum of the pay in the pay band plus the grade pay corresponding to the pre revised scale from which the pensioner had retired/discharged including Military Service Pay and ‘X’ Group pay where applicable"
The point that needs to be considered is as to what would constitute " THE MINIMUM OF THE PAY IN THE PAY BAND ........FROM WHICH THE PENSIONER HAD RETIRED...." Because in the same pre-revised scale "A" may be at the beginning of the scale and "B" may be at the end of the scale and thus drawing their pensions at different rates.
Salary & Govt. Concessions for a Member of Parliament (MP)
Monthly Salary : 12,000
Expense for Constitution per month : 10,000
Office expenditure per month : 14,000
Traveling concession (Rs. 8 per km) : 48,000 ( eg.For a visit from
kerala to Delhi & return: 6000 km)
Daily DA TA during parliament meets : 500/day
Charge for 1 class (A/C) in train: Free (For any number of times)
(All over India )
Charge for Business Class in flights : Free for 40 trips / year (With wife or P.A.)
Rent for MP hostel at Delhi : Free
Electricity costs at home : Free up to 50,000 units
Local phone call charge : Free up to 1 ,70,000 calls.
TOTAL expense for a MP [having no qualification] per year : 32,00,000
[i.e. 2.66 lakh/month]
TOTAL expense for 5 years : 1,60,00,000
For 534 MPs, the expense for 5 years :
8,54,40,00,000 (nearly 855 crores)
AND THE PRIME MINISTER IS ASKING THE HIGHLY QUALIFIED, OUT PERFORMING
CEOs TO CUT DOWN THEIR SALARIES?..To top it all NO PB-4 for LT COLs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is how all our tax money is been swallowed and price hike on our regular commodities. ......
And this is the present condition of our country:
855 crores could make their life livable !!
Think of the great democracy we have........ ......
PLEASE FORWARD THIS MESSAGE TO ALL WARRIORS ....
but,
STILL Proud to be A FAUJI
@SKP
A Lt Col(TS) would be equated with a LT COL only not a Major as promotion to this rank is now on time scale only.It is not very clear that the weightage of 6/7 years as used to be given earlier would now be given.
Navdeep may kindly clarify on this.If Lt Col are not put in PB4,then they apparently get no benefit on account of MSP or rank/grade pay.
@Naren
As long as LtCol's are in PB-3 it makes no difference for Major\LtCol fitment of pension. All will get 15900 as the minimum of PB-3, although the minimum starting pay of LtCol is 28090 and that should have been the yardstick (as per Fifth CPC). This has purposely been done to spite past defence pensioners, as all other services officers retire in PB-4. In effect just multiply your basic by 2.26 and that is your new basic pension. Which, in effect, is approx your pension paid last month. All one gets extra is 16% DA! This is the fraud played on past pensioners, as now the gap has widened as compared to future pensioners. OROP is all the more important now and should be fought for by concerned authorities.
UPDATE ON MSP AS REPORTED BY SHIV AROOR
In the early November meeting (see previous post) between Expenditure Secretary Sushama Nath and the three service chiefs, Ms Nath stated that "rank pay now forms part of the MSP". The chiefs, backed by DG (MP&PS) Lt Gen VK Chaturvedi, Chairman PARC Rear Admiral S.A. O'Leary and ACAS Accounts Air Vice Mshl Baldev Singh argued that Military Service Pay (MSP) was meant to be "compensation for the intangible disadvantages of military life experienced by Services personnel over their entire career". They further added that MSP was a new pay element, and was totally de-linked from the pre-revised pay structure. It was because of this that no arrears had been paid on the MSP, the chiefs indicated, and therefore for the bureaucracy to use it "as an edge or as a replacement of rank pay" was incorrect.
According to sources, Ms Nath then indicated that "all ranks are beneficiaries of MSP". The Chiefs told her that in the case of a Lt Col, even considering MSP, his total emoluments were lower by roughly Rs 5,000 in comparison to a civil officer who was drawing les than him in the pre-revised payscale regime.
At this point, Gen Deepak Kapoor emphasised that their concerns stretched beyond the monetary benefits that were implied. He said it was primarily "a question of status and esteem". He added that if rank pay was to be withdrawn, it should be merged back into scale where it originally belonged and nowhere else. He indicated that using MSP as compensation implied nullifying the intended benefits of the revised pay scales.
UPDATE ON PLACING OF LT COL IN PB-4 AS REPORTED BY SHIV AROOR
In the early November meeting between Expenditure Secretary Sushama Nath and the three service chiefs, a presentation was made by the services side stressing on the "historical equations" between a Lt Col and NFSG pay scales back from the 3rdPC. It was also indicated during the presentation that fitment for Lt Cols given by the 6thPC was equal to S-25 and higher than S-24 scales, based on existing scales.
The chiefs pointed to the iniquity thereby introduced between Lt Col and Superintendent Engineers and Commandants in the Paramilitary Forces since the latter had a pre-revised scale of Rs 14,300-18,300 as against a Lt Col who had a pre-revised scale of Rs 15,100-18,700. The chiefs made it a point to emphasise that Lt Cols, though superior in scales, are "functionally on par with Supdt Engrs". Therefore, they said, there was no reason why a Lt Col must not be accomodated in Payband-4, especially when civil counterparts with inferior scales had been moved into that payband.
Army chief General Deepak Kapoor and Navy chief Admiral Sureesh Mehta then spoke about the "functional problems" in the Army apropos Assam Rifles and Central Paramiliary Forces, and between the Navy and the Coast Guard respectively with regard to command and control issues. They pointed out that as civil officers who were inferior in pay scales to Lt Col, they had been granted higher pay band and grades pay than a Lt Col and, in fact, equal to a Colonel.
Once the presentation was finished, Expenditure Secretary Sushama Nath said that the arugments about Rank Pay discussed earlier "equally apply in this case". She also said that the services viewpoint on Rank Pay would be conveyed to Pranab Mukherjee.
Next, she mentioned that were standing objections from the Paramilitary Forces against placing Lt Cols in PB-4. According to sources, Army chief General Deepak Kapoor almost lost his cool at this stage. With visible irritation, he is understood to have said that such an attitude was negative and the Paramiltiary forces had no business commenting on the legitimate requirements of the armed forces. Mentioning the "incorrect and misleading" equation of Lt Col with Second-in-Command of the CPMFs, Gen Kapoor further stressed that replacement scales had to be determined on pre-revised scales as had been done by successive pay commissions and not based on appointments/ranks/posts/badges of rank etc. This part of the meeting was rounded off with Admiral Mehta saying that there was no option before the government but to place Lt Cols in PB-4.
My dear friend
The concept of rank pay has been introduced intentionally by SCPC. To purpose is to convey all, what they are and with whom they should equate themselves. The SCPC has not raised any anomaly in this regard, rather it has corrected many. Best of Luck.
Pension calculation based on minimumm of scale of 6th CPC as shown in Annx.II Of Govt. letter appears illogical and unjust.2/Lt to Lt Col pensions are fixed in a narrow band of 13500 to 14600.Also, Col to Lt Gen the pensions are in a further narrower band of 26050 to 26150.The differential in pension of Lt Col and Col is huge(14600 and 26050 respectively)to the disadvantage of Lt Col,while that between all other successive ranks are marginal-of a few hundred rupees or even NIL as in the case of Brig to Lt Gen. The benefit of logic and justice have accrued only to Cols who would prefer to choose this option for their pension.The others have no choice but to accept the option at para 4.1 of the Govt letter(ie.previous basic pension*2.26) which excludes the element of MSP in the computation of pension. So either way,everyone (except Cols) come out losers.
For all Civilian friends,
We all joined our services knowing where we stand in terms of pay against those in the other services at the time of joining. In any case the same was made known in due course.
If you all had a problem with a Lt Col getting more pay than a director, you could have resigned in protest or better still joined the armed forces (the entry to which seems to be much easier, going by your previous blogs).
If the govt feels that the nature of tasks carried out by a Lt Col is inferior to that by a director, (as an average of his employment in the course of his service), the same may be made known publically and the lower revised pay made applicable for those joining the armed forces henceforth.
It will automatically direct the youth towards the cushy, higher paying civilian job. I'm sure all of us will like our children to decide as such. I for sure will.
By now it should be clear to all that the euphoria generated by inclusion of MSP for Pre-2006 pensioners was indeed premature. As Navadeep so correctly recorded, the MSP element is not universally applied.
Once Lt.Cols get the PB4 status, amongst the Pre-2006 group, all Lt.Cols to Lt.Generals(Non-Army Commander) will get the same pension.
@ MGB
The pension of LtCol and above will not be the same as Grade Pay is more for senior ranks. 50% Grade Pay is also taken into account for fitment of pension for past pensioners.
Sir,
There is benifit for the ORs discharged between 15 to 20 years. in most of the cases the minimum guaranteed pension is less than minimum pension. The minimum of pay band what they have taken is not correct. As per definition of 'Pay in the Pay Band' it is Pay drawn in the running pay band. It should be minimum of pay drawn in the pay band ie. 'minimum pay fixed for each rank'.Once pay drawn in the pay band and grade pay is taken as basic pay, how only grade pay is taken for consideration of minimum pay. Is it not a glare anomaly? If you see the recommendations of V Pay Commission available on Pensioner's portal, the minimum of pay is taken to each post for calculation of minimum pension.
What about the 70% of weightage? for Jawans as it was agreed in principle by the Govt.
If it is compared with V Pay Commission, the minimum pension so calculated is comming to only 20%.
Why this eyewash? It is really a grave injustice to the PBORs.
P.Vigneshwar Raju
Please read 'no benifit' instead of 'benifit' in first line of my last post
P.Vigneshwar Raju
The V Pay Commission recomendatio reads as folows:
iii) Pending revision of the pension of pre-1.1.1986 retires, the pensioners should be provided immediate relief by authorising pension disbursing authorities to consolidate the pension by adding basic pension, personal pension wherever admissible, dearness relief as on 1.1.1996 on basic pension only, interim relief (I & II) and 20% basic pension. The consolidated pension shall not be less than 50% of the minimum revised pay in the pay scale recommended by the Fifth Central Pay Commission of the post held by the pensioner at the time of retirement. (137.15)
Accepted with the modification that 40% of the basic pension shall be added while consolidating the pension as on 1-1-1996 but the pension consolidated as on 1-1-96 shall be raised to 50% of the minimum of the revised pay of the post held by the pensioner at the time of retirement.
45/86/97-P&PW(A) Part-II date 27.10.99 45/10/98-P&PW(A) date 17.12.98
No where it is said that the pension should be reduced proportionately for less no. of years served.
P.Vigneshwar Raju
Respected Sir ,
OM No. 38/37/08 P& PW(A) Pt. 1 dated 14 Oct 2008 for pre 2006 central govt. pensioners Annex. 1 put up scale of 5000-150-8000 in 9300-34800 (as per 6 CPC) + grade pay 4200 . Minimum pension for them = Rs. 6750.
Where as our Havaldar of Army who was in the same scale is put up in 5200-20800 + Grade pay 2800 (by sixth CPC) + MSP 2000 + X group pay 1400 Total = 11400
If we agree by 50% then also it comes to Rs. 5700.
Moreover letter sent by MOD to the Three service chiefs say that as per Annex. I - Havaldar Gp. X of 16 Yrs of service will get pension of Rs. 4899.
In the same letter as per ANNex. III says Havaldar of 16 Yrs will get pension of Rs. 3800 and it is less than the Sepoy and Naik pension as reflected in the same annexure .
A civilian counterpart of Havaldar gets pension arrears calculated around Rs. 75000/- whereas Havaldar gets around Rs. 28000/- as arrears .
In your blog only you told us that a PBOR will get full pension in 15 Years but this letter says it will be in 33 Yrs.
Can you tell us the source of your formula for pension i.e. Reviewed pension = 2.26 X Existing pension + 50% MSP + 50% X Gp pay ?
Will the pension be fixed on two dates (i) 01 Jan 2006 (ii) Sep 2008 ?
From which date MSp & X Gp. PAy is calculated for pension ?
@Ex-Sergeant
It is true that 33yrs was not mentioned for availing full pension in SPC report. However, it has been now incorporated by the CoS who reviewed the report and it is applicable only to past pensioners. Yet another case against past defence pensioners, as only they do not complete 33yrs for full pension.
CAPS ONLY TO GRAB ATTENTION
All serving personnel and ex servicemen should be able vote for an ex serviceman only,, from one or two constituencies. Is this legally possible for the three services to achieve ? Can anyone educate me. We can all pitch in and sort out these babus and ministers once for all, if this fever spreads, over a period of time.
Excellent idea about electing ESMs. Can Navdeep throw some light? Can all serving and ex servicemen get permission / rights / cards to vote from one constituency only? maybe we can elect somebody like Navdeep to take care of our interests with these bastards !
before getting so excited about ESM just see what Gen khanduri has done.
he did not even utter a single sentence offically in favour.
Dear Navdeep,
Why has the pension been fixwd at "lowest of pay band"This means that ALL in PB4 ie Col(< COL when incl) to LtGen will get same pension (except margnal increase due higher GP).On the face of it this seems illogical. Is it same for the civilians?or is it for Armed Forces only?In 5CPC it was "Min of revised pay of post (rank)held by the pensioner at the time of retirement"
Could you pl clarify for info of all.
What is the interpretation of " min of pay in the pay band --corresponding to scale(of rank/post) from.....retired" in this. “The consolidation of pension will further be subject to the provision that the consolidated pension, in no case shall be lower than fifty percent of the "minimum of the "pay" in the pay band" plus the grade pay "corresponding to the pre revised scale from which the pensioner had retired/discharged" including Military Service Pay and ‘X’ Group pay where applicable"
The point that needs to be considered is as to what would constitute " THE MINIMUM OF THE PAY IN THE PAY BAND ........FROM WHICH THE PENSIONER HAD RETIRED...."
In a way, alot of our own problems are created by our own shortsightedness.While every other organisation lets its officers go on deputation to other services we actively dissuade this practice and remain koopmandooks
Hi Sirs,
Today MOD has published notification for post-2006 pensioners on their website. In para 3.2, it writes "In respect of Commissioned Officers & PBOR retired/discharged/invalided/died between 01-01-2006 and 31-08-2008, the term 'Reckonable Emoluments' as defined above para 3.1 will apply except that Military Service Pay will reckon notionally for reckonable emoluments in such cases" What does it mean? MSP will be counted or not? Please throw some light.
Please clarify Para 3.2 of the MoD letter dated 12.11.08 on pensionary benefits to soldiers retired between 1.1.06 and 31.08.08
Will MSP be included for calculating pension (hence commutation) as well as gratuity for defence officers and PBORs retired in this period?
What does the term "notionally reckonable" exactly mean?
-Ex JWO Amar Singh Ujjain
Please see page 89 table on Basic minimum pay as recommended in 6th CPC for Lt Col is 26280/-This time also while working out the pension, our great MUNIM JI(Finance chaps) has played the trick and not considered the basic pay of Lt col but used the the minimum of Pay band while calculating the pension, which is same from Lt to Lt Col. Perhaps it suits them. What our higher up are doing?????? Please note this now at least. Why pesioners penalised. Dont worry every one has to retire one day.
@ Maj. Navdeep,
You have mentioned Basic pension * 2.26 + 16 % DA for fitment scheme.I don't think the DA is to be added for fitment of new pension. It should read as Basic pension * 2.26 only.
@ SKP,
For a Lt.Col.(Time scale) the rank pay taken would be that of a Maj but the basic pay would be taken of a Lt. Col.
I took premature retirement in the rank of col (selection grade) in june05 after putting in 23 yrs 9 months service. My pension was fixed at Rs 12278/- (commuted pension 6999/-). What will be my revised pension? What arrears will i get and when?
Will be grateful if this can be calculated.
Pradip Talukdar
Ex-Nk(TS)
Army No- 14455095P
Corps Of Signals
Retired on - 30.04.1995
Trade- OTC
Sir, My quaries is about 70%pension and MSP.As on date, I am getting pension Rs 7304/-. If it is possible to reply me about my quaries.
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